AXIS 90 W Midspan AC/DC
When mains power is not an option, 90 W
- 24 V AC and 20-26.4 V DC input
- Up to IEEE 802.3bt (90 W) output
- Ideal for retrofitting PTZ
- Compatible with Axis PoE devices
- Flexible installation
AXIS 90 W Midspan AC/DC is perfect for installations where mains power is not an option. With a power input of either 24 V AC or 20-26.4 V DC, it can deliver up to IEEE 802.3bt (90 W) to your network device. AXIS 90 W Midspan AC/DC is plug-and-play and compatible with all Axis PoE devices which require up to 90 W power.
24 V AC can be needed in harsh environments where new cabling or installations are not an option and you need to retrofit box, dome or PTZ cameras.
20-26.4 V DC can be used where battery back-up is needed or for solar-powered installations. Or when the network device is built in another equipment and is powered directly from it, for example, in an ATM.
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Compatible products
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Analytics
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Answering units
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Audio/visual alerters
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Cables & connectors
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Environmental sensors
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Fixed box cameras
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AXIS M1055-L Box Camera
Cost-effective HDTV 1080p with deep learning -
AXIS M1075-L Box Camera
Fully featured HDTV 1080p with deep learning -
AXIS M1135 Mk II Box Camera
2 MP affordable surveillance -
AXIS M1135-E Mk II Box Camera
Outdoor-ready 2 MP affordable surveillance -
AXIS M1137 Mk II Box Camera
5 MP affordable surveillance -
AXIS M1137-E Mk II Box Camera
Outdoor-ready 5 MP affordable surveillance -
AXIS P1385 Box Camera
Reliable 2 MP indoor surveillance -
AXIS P1385-B Box Camera
2 MP indoor surveillance - barebone -
AXIS P1385-BE Box Camera
2 MP outdoor surveillance - barebone -
AXIS P1385-E Box Camera
Reliable 2 MP outdoor surveillance -
AXIS P1387 Box Camera
Reliable 5 MP indoor surveillance -
AXIS P1387-B Box Camera
5 MP indoor surveillance - barebone -
AXIS P1387-BE Box Camera
5 MP outdoor surveillance - barebone -
AXIS P1387-LE Box Camera
Reliable 5 MP outdoor surveillance -
AXIS P1388 Box Camera
Reliable 8 MP indoor surveillance -
AXIS P1388-B Box Camera
8 MP indoor surveillance - barebone -
AXIS P1388-BE Box Camera
8 MP outdoor surveillance - barebone -
AXIS P1388-LE Box Camera
Reliable 8 MP outdoor surveillance -
AXIS P1518-E Box Camera
Wide-angle and close-up views in one -
AXIS P1518-LE Box Camera
Wide-angle and close-up views in one with IR -
AXIS Q1656 Box Camera
Outstanding performance in 4 MP -
AXIS Q1656-B Box Camera
Indoor barebone model in 4 MP -
AXIS Q1656-BE Box Camera
Outdoor barebone model in 4 MP -
AXIS Q1656-BLE Box Camera
Outdoor barebone model in 4 MP with IR -
AXIS Q1656-DLE Radar-Video Fusion Camera
Next-level detection and visualization -
AXIS Q1656-LE Box Camera
Outstanding performance in 4 MP -
AXIS Q1686-DLE Radar-Video Fusion Camera
Monitor traffic and identify hazardous vehicles 24/7 -
AXIS Q1715 Block Camera
High performance with endless options -
AXIS Q1728 Block Camera
8 MP, superior light sensitivity, enclosure-ready -
AXIS Q1728-LE Block Camera
8 MP, superior light-sensitivity, outdoor camera
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Fixed bullet cameras
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AXIS M2035-LE Bullet Camera
2 MP affordable camera with deep learning -
AXIS M2036-LE Bullet Camera
4 MP affordable camera with deep learning -
AXIS P1455-LE Network Camera
Versatile, feature-rich 2 MP surveillance -
AXIS P1465-LE Bullet Camera
Fully featured, all-around 2 MP surveillance -
AXIS P1465-LE-3 License Plate Verifier Kit
Cost-effective kit for freeflow traffic -
AXIS P1467-LE Bullet Camera
Fully featured, all-around 5 MP surveillance -
AXIS P1468-LE Bullet Camera
Fully featured, all-around 4K surveillance -
AXIS Q1800-LE License Plate Camera
For accuracy at high speeds -
AXIS Q1800-LE-3 License Plate Verifier Kit
Robust, cost-effective kit for high speeds -
AXIS Q1805-LE Bullet Camera
First-class surveillance in 2 MP with 32x zoom -
AXIS Q1806-LE Bullet Camera
First-class surveillance in 4 MP with 32x zoom -
AXIS Q1808-LE Bullet Camera
Powerful 10 MP surveillance -
AXIS Q1809-LE Bullet Camera
All-in-one 41 MP camera for extreme detail
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Fixed dome cameras
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AXIS M3077-PLVE Network Camera
6 MP outdoor-ready dome with 360° panoramic view and audio capture -
AXIS M3085-V Dome Camera
Fixed 2 MP mini dome with deep learning -
AXIS M3086-V Dome Camera
Fixed 4 MP mini dome with deep learning -
AXIS M3088-V Dome Camera
Fixed 8 MP mini dome with deep learning -
AXIS M3125-LVE Dome Camera
AI-powered 2 MP turret style camera -
AXIS M3126-LVE Dome Camera
AI-powered 4 MP turret style camera -
AXIS M3128-LVE Dome Camera
AI-powered 8 MP turret style camera -
AXIS M3215-LVE Dome Camera
Affordable surveillance in 2 MP with deep learning -
AXIS M3216-LVE Dome Camera
Affordable surveillance in 4 MP with deep learning -
AXIS M3905-R Dome Camera
2 MP indoor onboard surveillance -
AXIS M4215-LV Dome Camera
Varifocal 2 MP dome with IR and deep learning -
AXIS M4215-V Dome Camera
Varifocal 2 MP dome with deep learning -
AXIS M4216-LV Dome Camera
Varifocal 4 MP dome with IR and deep learning -
AXIS M4216-V Dome Camera
Varifocal 4 MP dome with deep learning -
AXIS M4218-LV Dome Camera
Varifocal 8 MP dome with IR and deep learning -
AXIS M4218-V Dome Camera
Varifocal 8 MP dome with deep learning -
AXIS M4225-LVE Dome Camera
Compact 2 MP AI-powered dome with audio analytics -
AXIS M4227-LVE Dome Camera
Compact 5 MP AI-powered dome with audio analytics -
AXIS M4228-LVE Dome Camera
Compact 8 MP AI-powered dome with audio analytics -
AXIS M4308-PLE Panoramic Camera
12 MP outdoor-ready dome with audio capture -
AXIS P3265-LV Dome Camera
Indoor 2 MP dome with IR and deep learning -
AXIS P3265-LVE Dome Camera
Outdoor 2 MP dome with IR and deep learning -
AXIS P3265-LVE-3 License Plate Verifier Kit
Easy, cost-effective vehicle access control -
AXIS P3265-V Dome Camera
Indoor 2 MP dome with deep learning -
AXIS P3267-LV Dome Camera
Indoor 5 MP dome with IR and deep learning -
AXIS P3267-LVE Dome Camera
5 MP outdoor dome with IR and deep learning -
AXIS P3268-LV Dome Camera
Indoor 8 MP dome with IR and deep learning -
AXIS P3268-LVE Dome Camera
Outdoor 8 MP dome with IR and deep learning -
AXIS P3268-SLVE Dome Camera
Stainless steel 8 MP dome with deep learning -
AXIS P3275-LV Dome Camera
Indoor 2 MP AI-powered dome -
AXIS P3275-LVE Dome Camera
Outdoor 2 MP AI-powered dome -
AXIS P3277-LV Dome Camera
Indoor 5 MP AI-powered dome -
AXIS P3277-LVE Dome Camera
Outdoor 5 MP AI-powered dome -
AXIS P3278-LV Dome Camera
Indoor 8 MP AI-powered dome -
AXIS P3278-LVE Dome Camera
Outdoor 8 MP AI-powered dome -
AXIS P3285-LV Dome Camera
Indoor 2 MP AI-powered dome with audio analytics -
AXIS P3285-LVE Dome Camera
Outdoor 2 MP AI-powered dome with audio analytics -
AXIS P3287-LV Dome Camera
Indoor 5 MP AI-powered dome with audio analytics -
AXIS P3287-LVE Dome Camera
Outdoor 5 MP AI-powered dome with audio analytics -
AXIS P3288-LV Dome Camera
Indoor 8 MP AI-powered dome with audio analytics -
AXIS P3288-LVE Dome Camera
Outdoor 8 MP AI-powered dome with audio analytics -
AXIS P3925-LRE Network Camera
Onboard camera – for exterior use in any light -
AXIS P3925-R Network Camera
Best-in-class dome for advanced onboard surveillance -
AXIS P3935-LR Network Camera
Best-in-class dome with IR for advanced onboard surveillance -
AXIS P4705-PLVE Panoramic Camera
Dual-sensor with 360° IR and deep learning -
AXIS P4707-PLVE Panoramic Camera
Dual-sensor with 360° IR and deep learning -
AXIS P9117-PV Corner Camera
6 MP corner camera with no blind spots -
AXIS Q3538-SLVE Dome Camera
Stainless steel 8 MP dome for corrosive areas -
AXIS Q3546-LVE Dome Camera
Advanced 4 MP AI-powered dome -
AXIS Q3548-LVE Dome Camera
Advanced 8 MP AI-powered dome -
AXIS Q3556-LVE Dome Camera
Advanced 4 MP AI-powered dome with audio analytics -
AXIS Q3558-LVE Dome Camera
Advanced 8 MP AI-powered dome with audio analytics -
AXIS Q3626-VE Dome Camera
Advanced 4 MP dome with remote adjustment -
AXIS Q3628-VE Dome Camera
Advanced 8 MP dome with remote adjustment -
AXIS Q9216-SLV Network Camera
Impact-resistant anti-ligature camera -
AXIS Q9307-LV Dome Camera
All-in-one audio-visual monitoring device
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Housings & cabinets
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I/O devices
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Illuminators
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AXIS T90D20 PoE IR-LED
High-performance infrared LED illuminator with ease of installation -
AXIS T90D25 PoE W-LED
High-performance white LED illuminator with ease of installation -
AXIS T90D30 PoE IR-LED
High-performance infrared LED illuminator with ease of installation -
AXIS T90D35 PoE W-LED
High-performance White LED illuminator with ease of installation
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Modular cameras
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AXIS F9104-B Mk II Main Unit
AI-based, 4-channel barebone main unit for integration -
AXIS F9111-R Mk II Main Unit
AI-based, 1-channel unit for high-vibration environments -
AXIS F9114-B Mk II Main Unit
AI-based, 4-channel barebone unit with I/O ports -
AXIS F9114-R Mk II Main Unit
AI-based, 4-channel unit for high-vibration environments -
AXIS FA51 Main Unit
Single-channel main unit with HDMI output -
AXIS FA51-B Main Unit
Single-channel barebone with HDMI -
AXIS P1245 Mk II Modular Standard Camera
Complete, discreet standard sensor camera delivers full HD resolution -
AXIS P1265 Mk II Modular Pinhole Camera
Complete, extremely discreet pinhole camera delivers full HD resolution -
AXIS P1275 Mk II Modular Varifocal Dome Camera
Complete, discreet varifocal dome delivers full HD resolution
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Mounts
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Network I/O relay modules
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Network speakers
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AXIS C1110-E Network Cabinet Speaker
Flexible speaker with great sound – large -
AXIS C1111-E Network Cabinet Speaker
Flexible speaker with good sound – small -
AXIS C1310-E Mk II Network Horn Speaker
Outdoor speaker for clear long-range speech -
AXIS C1410 Mk II Network Mini Speaker
Speaker with wide-area coverage -
AXIS C1610-VE Network Sound Projector
Sleek, robust speaker for clear speech -
AXIS C1710 Network Display Speaker
Wall-mounted 3-in-1 public address solution -
AXIS C1720 Network Display Speaker
Dual-sided 3-in-1 public address solution
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Onboard cameras
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AXIS M3905-R Dome Camera
2 MP indoor onboard surveillance -
AXIS M4317-PLR Panoramic Camera
6 MP fisheye camera for buses -
AXIS M4318-PLR Panoramic Camera
12 MP fisheye camera for buses -
AXIS P3925-LRE Network Camera
Onboard camera – for exterior use in any light -
AXIS P3925-R Network Camera
Best-in-class dome for advanced onboard surveillance -
AXIS P3935-LR Network Camera
Best-in-class dome with IR for advanced onboard surveillance
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PTZ cameras
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AXIS M5000 PTZ Camera
15 MP indoor camera with 10x optical zoom -
AXIS M5000-G PTZ Camera
Situational awareness camera with built-in PTZ -
AXIS M5074 PTZ Camera
Palm-sized PTZ camera with 5x optical zoom -
AXIS M5075 PTZ Camera
Palm-sized PTZ camera with 5x optical zoom -
AXIS M5075-G PTZ Camera
Palm-sized PTZ camera with 5x optical zoom and wireless I/O -
AXIS M5526-E PTZ Camera
Indoor and outdoor 4 MP with 10x zoom and focus recall -
AXIS P5654-E Mk II PTZ Camera
Wide angle PTZ with HDTV 1080p and 21x zoom -
AXIS P5655-E PTZ Network Camera
Cost-effective PTZ for versatile surveillance -
AXIS P5676-LE PTZ Camera
High-performance 4 MP PTZ with IR -
AXIS Q6074 PTZ Network Camera
Indoor PTZ with HDTV 720p and 30x optical zoom -
AXIS Q6074-E PTZ Network Camera
Outdoor-ready PTZ with HDTV 720p and 30x optical zoom -
AXIS Q6075 PTZ Network Camera
Indoor PTZ with HDTV 1080p and 40x optical zoom -
AXIS Q6075-E PTZ Network Camera
Outdoor-ready PTZ with HDTV 1080p and 40x optical zoom -
AXIS Q6078-E PTZ Camera
Outdoor-ready PTZ with UHD 4K -
AXIS Q6135-LE PTZ Network Camera
High-speed PTZ with long-range OptimizedIR -
AXIS Q6225-LE PTZ Camera
Heavy-duty PTZ camera with long-range IR -
AXIS Q6355-LE PTZ Camera
2 MP, AI-powered PTZ for extreme low light -
AXIS Q6358-LE PTZ Camera
4K UHD, AI-powered PTZ for extreme low light
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Paging microphones
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Panoramic cameras
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AXIS M3077-PLVE Network Camera
6 MP outdoor-ready dome with 360° panoramic view and audio capture -
AXIS M4308-PLE Panoramic Camera
12 MP outdoor-ready dome with audio capture -
AXIS M4317-PLR Panoramic Camera
6 MP fisheye camera for buses -
AXIS M4317-PLVE Panoramic Camera
6 MP dome with 360° view and deep learning -
AXIS M4318-PLR Panoramic Camera
12 MP fisheye camera for buses -
AXIS M4318-PLVE Panoramic Camera
12 MP dome with 360° view and deep learning -
AXIS M4327-P Panoramic Camera
6 MP indoor fisheye with deep learning -
AXIS M4328-P Panoramic Camera
12 MP indoor fisheye with deep learning -
AXIS P3735-PLE Panoramic Camera
AI-powered 4x2 MP multidirectional camera -
AXIS P3737-PLE Panoramic Camera
AI-powered 4x5 MP multidirectional camera -
AXIS P3738-PLE Panoramic Camera
AI-powered 4x4K multidirectional camera -
AXIS P3747-PLVE Panoramic Camera
4x5 MP multidirectional with AI analytics -
AXIS P3748-PLVE Panoramic Camera
4x4K multidirectional with AI analytics -
AXIS P4705-PLVE Panoramic Camera
Dual-sensor with 360° IR and deep learning -
AXIS P4707-PLVE Panoramic Camera
Dual-sensor with 360° IR and deep learning -
AXIS P4708-PLVE Panoramic Camera
AI-powered 2x8MP dual-sensor camera at 30 fps -
AXIS Q3839-PVE Panoramic Camera
Seamless 180° view, no blind spots, 29 MP -
AXIS Q4809-PVE Panoramic Camera
Seamless 180° view, high-pixel, 26 MP -
AXIS Q6020-E Panoramic Camera
AI-based, 360° overview, easy installation -
AXIS Q6300-E Panoramic Camera
AI-based, 360° overview, easy installation
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Power
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Power adapters
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Radars
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Specialty cameras
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Thermal cameras
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AXIS Q1961-TE Thermal Camera
Dependable remote temperature monitoring -
AXIS Q1971-E Thermal Camera
Detect and verify regardless of weather and light -
AXIS Q1972-E Thermal Camera
High-resolution detection in all weather and light -
AXIS Q2101-TE Thermal Camera
Large-scale remote temperature monitoring -
AXIS Q2111-E Thermal Camera
Long-range detection and verification -
AXIS Q2112-E Thermal Camera
Outstanding high-resolution detection and verification
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Video encoders
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Wearables
Discontinued products
The following compatible products have been discontinued.Audio/visual alerters
Fixed box cameras
- AXIS M1065-L Network Camera
- AXIS M1134 Network Camera
- AXIS M1135 Network Camera
- AXIS M1135-E Network Camera
- AXIS M1137 Network Camera
- AXIS M1137-E Network Camera
- AXIS M1145-L Network Camera
- AXIS P1375 Network Camera
- AXIS P1375-E Network Camera
- AXIS P1377 Network Camera
- AXIS P1377-LE Network Camera
- AXIS P1378 Network Camera
- AXIS P1378-LE Network Camera
- AXIS Q1615 Mk II Network Camera
- AXIS Q1615 Mk III Network Camera
- AXIS Q1615-LE Mk III Network Camera
- AXIS Q1645 Network Camera
- AXIS Q1645-LE Network Camera
- AXIS Q1647 Network Camera
- AXIS Q1647-LE Network Camera
Fixed bullet cameras
- AXIS M2025-LE Network Camera
- AXIS M2026-LE Mk II Network Camera
- AXIS P1435-LE Network Camera
- AXIS P1445-LE Network Camera
- AXIS P1447-LE Network Camera
- AXIS P1448-LE Network Camera
- AXIS P1455-LE-3 License Plate Verifier Kit
- AXIS Q1700-LE License Plate Camera
- AXIS Q1785-LE Network Camera
- AXIS Q1786-LE Network Camera
- AXIS Q1798-LE Network Camera
Fixed dome cameras
- AXIS M3015 Network Camera
- AXIS M3016 Network Camera
- AXIS M3037-PVE Network Camera
- AXIS M3057-PLVE Network Camera
- AXIS M3057-PLVE Mk II Network Camera
- AXIS M3058-PLVE Network Camera
- AXIS M3064-V Network Camera
- AXIS M3065-V Network Camera
- AXIS M3066-V Network Camera
- AXIS M3067-P Network Camera
- AXIS M3068-P Network Camera
- AXIS M3075-V Network Camera
- AXIS M3115-LVE Network Camera
- AXIS M3116-LVE Network Camera
- AXIS M3205-LVE Network Camera
- AXIS M3206-LVE Network Camera
- AXIS M4206-LV Network Camera
- AXIS M4206-V Network Camera
- AXIS P3227-LV Network Camera
- AXIS P3227-LVE Network Camera
- AXIS P3228-LV Network Camera
- AXIS P3228-LVE Network Camera
- AXIS P3245-LV Network Camera
- AXIS P3245-LVE Network Camera
- AXIS P3245-LVE-3 License Plate Verifier Kit
- AXIS P3245-V Network Camera
- AXIS P3245-VE Network Camera
- AXIS P3247-LV Network Camera
- AXIS P3247-LVE Network Camera
- AXIS P3248-LV Network Camera
- AXIS P3248-LVE Network Camera
- AXIS P3255-LVE Dome Camera
- AXIS P3367-V Network Camera
- AXIS P3367-VE Network Camera
- AXIS P3374-LV Network Camera
- AXIS P3374-V Network Camera
- AXIS P3375-LV Network Camera
- AXIS P3375-LVE Network Camera
- AXIS P3375-V Network Camera
- AXIS P3375-VE Network Camera
- AXIS P3715-PLVE Network Camera
- AXIS P3717-PLE Network Camera
- AXIS P3719-PLE Network Camera
- AXIS P3727-PLE Panoramic Camera
- AXIS P3904-R Mk II Network Camera
- AXIS P3905-R Mk II Network Camera
- AXIS P3915-R Mk II Network Camera
- AXIS P9106-V Network Camera
- AXIS Q3515-LV Network Camera
- AXIS Q3515-LVE Network Camera
- AXIS Q3517-LV Network Camera
- AXIS Q3517-LVE Network Camera
- AXIS Q3517-SLVE Network Camera
- AXIS Q3518-LVE Network Camera
- AXIS Q3527-LVE Network Camera
- AXIS Q3536-LVE Dome Camera
- AXIS Q3538-LVE Dome Camera
- AXIS Q3615-VE Network Camera
- AXIS Q3617-VE Network Camera
- AXIS Q3708-PVE Network Camera
- AXIS Q3709-PVE Network Camera
Housings & cabinets
I/O devices
Illuminators
Modular cameras
- AXIS F34 Main Unit
- AXIS F34 Surveillance System
- AXIS F41 Main Unit
- AXIS F44 Dual Audio Input Main Unit
- AXIS F9104-B Main Unit
- AXIS F9111 Main Unit
- AXIS F9114 Main Unit
- AXIS F9114-B Main Unit
- AXIS P1214 Network Camera
- AXIS P1214-E Network Camera
- AXIS P1224-E Network Camera
- AXIS P1244 Network Camera
- AXIS P1245 Network Camera
- AXIS P1254 Network Camera
- AXIS P1264 Network Camera
- AXIS P1265 Network Camera
- AXIS P1275 Network Camera
- AXIS P1280-E Thermal Network Camera
- AXIS P1290-E Thermal Network Camera
Network I/O relay modules
Network door controllers
Network speakers
Onboard cameras
PTZ cameras
- AXIS M5054 PTZ Network Camera
- AXIS M5055 PTZ Network Camera
- AXIS M5065 PTZ Network Camera
- AXIS M5525-E PTZ Network Camera
- AXIS P5414-E PTZ Network Camera
- AXIS P5415-E PTZ Network Camera
- AXIS P5654-E PTZ Network Camera
- AXIS Q6010-E Network Camera
- AXIS Q6100-E Network Camera
- AXIS Q6125-LE PTZ Network Camera
- AXIS Q6128-E PTZ Network Camera
- AXIS Q6154-E PTZ Network Camera
- AXIS Q6155-E PTZ Network Camera
- AXIS Q6215-LE PTZ Network Camera
- AXIS Q6315-LE PTZ Network Camera
- AXIS Q6318-LE PTZ Camera
Panoramic cameras
- AXIS M3037-PVE Network Camera
- AXIS M3057-PLVE Network Camera
- AXIS M3057-PLVE Mk II Network Camera
- AXIS M3058-PLVE Network Camera
- AXIS M3067-P Network Camera
- AXIS M3068-P Network Camera
- AXIS P3715-PLVE Network Camera
- AXIS P3717-PLE Network Camera
- AXIS P3719-PLE Network Camera
- AXIS P3727-PLE Panoramic Camera
- AXIS Q3708-PVE Network Camera
- AXIS Q3709-PVE Network Camera
Power adapters
Specialty cameras
Thermal cameras
- AXIS P1280-E Thermal Network Camera
- AXIS P1290-E Thermal Network Camera
- AXIS Q1941-E Thermal Network Camera
- AXIS Q1941-E PT Mount Thermal Network Camera
- AXIS Q1942-E Thermal Network Camera
- AXIS Q1942-E PT Mount Thermal Network Camera
- AXIS Q1951-E Thermal Camera
- AXIS Q1952-E Thermal Camera
- AXIS Q2901-E Temperature Alarm Camera
- AXIS Q2901-E PT Mount Temperature Alarm Camera
Video encoders
Wearables
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| Name | Axis region | Part number |
|---|---|---|
| AXIS 90 W Midspan AC/DC | AR, AU, BR, CN, EU, IN, JP, KR, UK, US | 02209-001 |
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